Note by @jeder

took a look at Matter devices and it's honestly worse than proprietary solutions

look at zigbee, the vendor cannot have the device access the internet so it always returns all data over zigbee

now with matter, it only has a very limited set of specific properties defined in the protocol, so a manufacturer will plaster the device with "Matter compatible, works with every smart home system imaginable!", and then half of the features aren't available over Matter and instead need some proprietary app because the manufacturer had the escape hatch of using some cloud server for the real functionality and Matter is just a marketing gimmick

so yeah, Matter is worse than nothing, because it claims to be a solution to interoperability while actually only being a half-baked pretend-solution

the main thing that makes ZigBee good is that the devices cannot talk to the internet, Matter just makes it all run over IPv6 which would be cool technically if all the standards weren't behind an NDA and if it actually solved the "I want to control shit over my LAN" problem

Edit 2:
Ikea devices didn't replace Zigbee with MoT, rather their new zigbee hub is also a Matter bridge or something like that.

@lunareclipse super disappointing that IKEA are going with that now. Their Tradfri Zigbee stuff has always been outstanding.

@ret I looked deeper into it and I'm not sure anymore if it's the actual devices that are changing or if their new gateway exposes them over matter or something like that, because on forums people still seem to be using the new stuff just fine with zigbee.

@lunareclipse @ret I got that inspelning plug, FWIW it only has a zigbee logo, best source on something from ikea working with zigbee ig is still z2m website

@jeder @ret found this, it's the gateway homekitnews.com/2024/09/11/ikea-adds-official-matter-support-to-the-dirigera-hub/

I wish the ikea website just fucking told you that the product is zigbee, they don't mention it anywhere and pretend it's an ikea smart home exclusive

@lunareclipse @ret I mean zigbee2mqtt and usb coordinators are hacks from proper zigbee standpoint so they are kind of in the right of not showing it on the website but whatever lol

@jeder @ret idk, it's not even in the manual or details, that makes it a pain

@jeder @ret the box ofc has a zigbee symbol but not the website

@lunareclipse @jeder it’s funny because it’s printed quite proudly on the boxes. I wonder if that’s a requirement of the CSA…